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« Reply #75 on: December 15, 2010, 13:26:32 PM »

i'm with you Lilli. I enjoy smoking, and I even enjoy being around people who smoke. Sometimes I'll have my coffee outside with the smokers just to breathe in the fresh air. Our smoking area is pretty much any place outside the building.

- and actually does help you concentrate (clinically proven)

I can believe this. I've often wondered if it's not better for your health to get up every half an hour and go outside for 5 minutes for a smoke rather than spending the full 9 working hours inside an air-conditioned office on your ass breathing in recycled fart.

I have to confess though, my wife hates smoking which is why i only smoke Monday to Friday mornings. Never on weekend, never during holiday, and never after lunch. I would therefore not call myself addicted.
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« Reply #76 on: December 15, 2010, 22:01:49 PM »

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I have to confess though, my wife hates smoking which is why i only smoke Monday to Friday mornings. Never on weekend, never during holiday, and never after lunch. I would therefore not call myself addicted.
Yeah, sure...B-)  Just compulsively habituated?
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« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2011, 10:15:16 AM »

Its a little more than a year later, did those of you who stopped, manage to become ex-smokers?
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« Reply #78 on: October 26, 2011, 10:17:59 AM »

Nah it all ended for me a couple of months ago. Sad
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« Reply #79 on: May 04, 2012, 09:49:45 AM »

A little more than a week ago, I started taking Champix in another attempt to stop smoking. The stuff is actually quite amazing and took away all notions of craving, I found that it was habit that kept me picking up the box and not a true craving (to those of you who are inclined to try it after I relate the rest of my tale).

A couple days ago my S/O asked me whether I'm feeling ok, and since I did, I affirmed that I'm feeling a-ok, he kept on asking me this question though (and I'll chat with him tonight as to his reasons behind it). However, this morning when he asked me again in a very troubled tone of voice, I, for the first time, realised that I'm NOT ok.

I spent the night having a recurring nightmare (which I'm not going to go into detail here because of the upsetting nature thereof), and I'm using the description of nightmare because I lack Mefiante's vocabulary. It is now almost 10am and I STILL have to remind myself that it was not real and simply a figment of my mind and subconcious, I have to physically and mentally restrain myself from not phoning my son constantly. (who had the leading role). One of the side effects mentioned was psychosis, and although I'm no expert in that field, I suspect that I've fell victim to that particularly nasty effect. And to think, I'm still on the half dosage - I've now stopped the treatment, last night is not something I'd like to experience again EVER. I'm exhausted, both physically, emotionally and mentally, and I've never had this feeling of utter despondency come over me, its a feeling that defies description, but possibly what sums it up for me is the term "an absence of light". Not darkness, just an absence.
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« Reply #80 on: May 04, 2012, 10:27:42 AM »

I had a similar thing happen to me on ritalin. I had some interesting dreams, including an extremely vivid and deeply disturbing one that I've only repeated to one person, the psychiatrist, and only because she insisted. Once I gave her but a high-level overview I could see she was visibly shocked, you have no idea how I felt about it. It is quite shocking to realise what your mind is capable of conjuring up. She said it was "not unusual" for such treatments to induce abnormally vivid dreams, including but not limited to nightmares. As time wore on things normalised though (I'm talking ritalin here, I have no idea what "champix" was doing to you).

Psychosis, however, is the kind of thing where they have to strap you down until you come out of it. I'd guess what you had was at worst a very mild experience. And yes I do know exactly what I'm talking about having once experienced a true waking psychosis (long story, and I'm not keen to repeat that particular episode), during which suicide seemed like a particularly appropriate thing to do. I wasn't strapped down, and I didn't attempt it, but the thought of how my mind was teetering at the time scares the whits out of me.

Chin up though, you should feel right-as-rain within a day or so. And discontinuing the treatment is exactly the right thing to do afaik.

Be conscious of not being paranoid. No, you won't feel like this for long. Yes, you will be just fine. No, the world does not suck and yes, you are perfectly normal and healthy and that dream bears no significance whatsoever. You have chemicals causing problems in your brain and that is why you feel the way you do right now.
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« Reply #81 on: May 04, 2012, 10:46:20 AM »

Chin up though, you should feel right-as-rain within a day or so. And discontinuing the treatment is exactly the right thing to do afaik.

Be conscious of not being paranoid. No, you won't feel like this for long. Yes, you will be just fine. No, the world does not suck and yes, you are perfectly normal and healthy and that dream bears no significance whatsoever. You have chemicals causing problems in your brain and that is why you feel the way you do right now.


Gods it was/is horrible. Thanks for the words Boogie.

Anyhows, it seems I'm not alone:

http://moblog.net/view/861486/quitting-smoking-with-champix

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« Reply #82 on: May 04, 2012, 12:21:41 PM »

Raises the question: At what point do we decide that the side effects of a drug outweighs its benefits? And also, if a drug works particularly well for somebody, will that individual also be particularly prone to side effects? Half an antihistamine tablet will take me out of circulation for 3 days. Mrs Kent can pop a full one with almost no effect.

Perhaps, Faerie, it may be as simple as lowering the dose to the point where you can still reap some of the benefits while minimizing the angst?

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« Reply #83 on: May 04, 2012, 13:09:23 PM »

Perhaps, Faerie, it may be as simple as lowering the dose to the point where you can still reap some of the benefits while minimizing the angst?

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Its not worth it.  I went out for a walk earlier in an attempt to clear my mind and lift my mood a bit.  Rigil, every single person my eye happened on was staring at me, I got to the corner outside the building and fled back inside, I went past the ladies and ended up spending a half hour locked in the cubicle smsing my S/O because I was too terrified to go out because there were people having a conversation at the basins.  Now, all that is paranoia (and Boogie knew this was coming - bless you Boogie for that little forewarning), I KNOW this, but I cannot control my feelings at all. Its the most terrifying experience in my life (and I've had a few).


Aside from that, I was still only on the half dose and its messing with me in a mindboggling way (pun  Tongue), I'm not even willing to entertain the thought of putting more of that shit into my body and mind.
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« Reply #84 on: May 07, 2012, 07:07:10 AM »

Scallywag was involved in a clinical trial of Champix.  It didn't work for her--she's still going strong at 40-a-day--but she didn't experience any of the side effects either.

Sadly, I have started to smoke again after 2 and a half years smoke free.  We've been through an incredibly stressful couple of months with a perfect storm of family and work woes, and I helped myself to one of Scallywag's smokes.  I have no idea why.  I'm back on 20-a-day...
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« Reply #85 on: May 08, 2012, 11:48:58 AM »

So how are we feeling Faerie?
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« Reply #86 on: May 10, 2012, 08:07:35 AM »

I left work early on Tuesday to go see my local quack and explained to him that I'm stark raving mad and needs to be institutionalised (preferably at an instution on the coast). He thought I was joking.

I'm ok, but my mood fluctuations are worse than a pregnant woman's.  The quack did prescribe me Urbanol, which is a anti-psychotic/depressant, which I chucked into my meds cupboard, I've had enough of this shit to last me a lifetime. My blood pressure has gone for a loop, I'm suffering from heart palpitations and I got some meds to try and bring that back into line. Apparently it will take another 8/9 days for it to work out entirely out of my system and I should start feeling a bit more like myself. At least the dreams have stopped although I still wake up grumpy as hell and my mood only lifts around 10am.

Other than that, I'm good, I just feel sorry for my poor S/O, this morning he was shouted at because he ate my oranges, and then had to "troos" me when I burst out in tears....  Undecided (There is a whole bag of oranges in the kitchen, he ate the two I stuck in the fridge, and thus destroyed my universe...)

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« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2012, 15:36:18 PM »

I have two 'gif-pyle' left in my box of Peter Blue. While I much prefer the 'roll-your-own' tabacco, I'v decided these two are my last.

My biggest concern is that I enjoy the, err, Peter Green, every now and again (and I'm not talking about menthol here), and I roll it with the packet tobacco to smoothen it and make it less harsh. My alternative is a bong, but the bong has a distasteful aspect to it, it's not really like I can hit it in front of the missus like I could smoke a tobacco spliff.
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« Reply #88 on: May 11, 2012, 15:51:17 PM »

I have two 'gif-pyle' left in my box of Peter Blue. While I much prefer the 'roll-your-own' tabacco, I'v decided these two are my last.

My biggest concern is that I enjoy the, err, Peter Green, every now and again (and I'm not talking about menthol here), and I roll it with the packet tobacco to smoothen it and make it less harsh. My alternative is a bong, but the bong has a distasteful aspect to it, it's not really like I can hit it in front of the missus like I could smoke a tobacco spliff.
You don't need mix.  Just roll them thin and take smaller drags. 
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« Reply #89 on: May 11, 2012, 17:17:46 PM »

I much prefer the bong tbh. I love the smell but taken neat it makes me koff like a bitch. The high on the bong is also much cleaner, intense and cerebral. It just looks a bit 'common' if you know what I mean, so if I hit it, it's basically a one-man show done in private. The missus doesn't mind, but I do.
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