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« Reply #180 on: July 12, 2012, 15:13:29 PM »

The art of shaving with Occam’s Razor is being lost to an insatiable lust for ever more woolly stories.  Critical faculties are being sacrificed on postmodernism’s altar in a global fondle fest of ego stroking where facts are heresy and every opinion is equal.

Consider yourself hereby plagiarised.
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« Reply #181 on: July 12, 2012, 17:16:24 PM »

Consider yourself hereby plagiarised.
Hardly plagiarism if it’s duly credited but Kiss anyway!

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« Reply #182 on: July 12, 2012, 18:24:29 PM »

... and I have now been appointed as teacher
Bravo Brian, and on several counts. If only all teachers could share you're passion and dedication, and ability to cut through the BS.

A highly perceptive friend of mine observed recently: "You are one of those gifted people....
Now why can't my friends be that observant!   Grin

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« Reply #183 on: July 13, 2012, 12:26:35 PM »

A highly perceptive friend of mine observed recently: "You are one of those gifted people....
Now why can't my friends be that observant!   Grin
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Sigh, yes, that does read incorrectly: I was referring to him picking up that I may be resentful about the whole thing. It would be a far better ego-booster if people thought I was smart WITHOUT being highly perceptive. Tongue
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« Reply #184 on: July 13, 2012, 14:46:38 PM »

I long ago "decided" the moment I become bored by my profession/lose my youthful quest for success, I will go into teaching. In fact i've done some small time tutoring already, just don't have the lifestyle atm to devote to it full time.

I also started out tutoring, but it is a bit difficult to make a living that way, and you inevitably end up with all the dumb and/or lazy students. :-)
 

I coach and mentor "learners" (ugly word that), in the corporate environment, I absolutely love dragging 18/19 year old matriculants kicking and screaming into the century of the fruitbat and watch them grow into something almost human with some potential prospects. 

There is something very satisfying in teaching, guiding and sometimes slapping someone upside the head to get the synapes synapsing.
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« Reply #185 on: July 25, 2012, 12:31:03 PM »

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« Reply #186 on: July 25, 2012, 12:56:37 PM »

Ja, those can be quite irksome... I was once blocked from an atheist site due to "religious content", I screenshot random religious sites and sent them to our IT Police with the request to have those blocked too considering they are "religious content" as well.  The atheist site got unblocked in a hurry.  Go figure.
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« Reply #187 on: July 25, 2012, 13:56:45 PM »

This one surely takes the cake.  “Randi” = porn.


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« Reply #188 on: July 25, 2012, 14:18:35 PM »

I'm more appalled my the line "Microsoft Internet Explorer", surely enforced by the company.

These are the reasons I refuse to work for big corporates.
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« Reply #189 on: July 25, 2012, 16:22:48 PM »

I'm more appalled my the line "Microsoft Internet Explorer"…
Not to derail the thread, but why?

Before you answer though, some background.  The following is a somewhat typical conversation about this specific topic.

Propellerhead #1:  “Check out this cool site, it’s got free code ‘n’ stuff!”

Propellerhead #2:  “Hey, you’re using Microsoft Internet Exterminator!  That’s a kak browser.”

Ph #1:  “Why?”

[Some fatuous and ultimately irrelevant blather follows about an allegedly awkward GUI, the lack of multi-page browsing (prior to IE8) and other subjective preferences, before the issue of security inevitably surfaces.]

Ph #1:  “Again, why is IE a bad browser?”

Ph #2:  “Well, it’s insecure.”

Ph #1:  “Okay, how is it insecure?”

Ph #2:  “It just is, everyone says so.”

Ph #1:  “That’s not really an argument, is it?  So tell me how it’s insecure.  Be as technical as you like.”

Ph #2:  “Lots of people use it and so it’s a big target for hackers and malware.”

Ph #1:  “But that says nothing about IE’s intrinsic security.  If Firefox or Chrome or Opera were as widespread, would you call any of them insecure?”

Ph #2:  “Fair enough, but IE uses ActiveX add-ons, plug-ins and extensions, which provide loopholes for hackers.”

Ph #1:  “Uhm yeah, but those typically are third-party components, which again doesn’t automatically make IE an unsafe browser.  Plus, you can configure IE to alert you whenever a new and potentially harmful extension is about to be installed or run, and completely disallow this action for users without admin privileges.  So my question still stands:  Why is IE an unsafe browser?”

Ph #2:  “Microsoft often doesn’t fix IE bugs ASAP.”

Ph #1:  “And the others do?”

Ph #2:  “You’re a pain in the ass, you know that?”

Ph #1:  “Not as big a one as those who make claims they can’t adequately substantiate.”

(The above should not be construed as a defence of Microsoft or some of its products, some of which are indeed bug-ridden.  Rather, it should be seen as a challenge to a tired old cliché that is rarely questioned.)

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« Reply #190 on: July 25, 2012, 17:02:28 PM »

Because IE makes me wake up in the middle of the night in cold sweats, cursing any developers who ever laid a hand on it.

The problem is standards compliance. People SAY that the newer IE's "try harder" but from my experience it leaves a whooole lot to be desired.

*Boogie gets on his soapbox*

On average, whenever I have to develop web-frontend-type-things the workflow goes like this:

1. Write awesome javascript code using firefox, any problems are instantly waxed with firebug (interactive debugger for FF).
2. Test on Chrome, Opera, (insert some others here), various FF versions (if you even bother with diff FF versions): 99% of the time this is no problem.

3. Make X = 7.
4. Start testing on IE version X.... Find problems.
5. Try to fix IE(X) problems...
6. Google why IE(X) doesn't support this dead simple piece of JS.
7. Find huge page explaining in intricate detail just how broken IE(X) is about this one thing you're trying to do.... But they'll fix it in IE(X+1), someday.
Pause: SHUDDER at how ANYONE would think the way IE(X) does it is a good idea. Moreover, couldn't they just do it the standard way? (see: this)
8. Finally, after hours, maybe days, find a way to make it work in IE(X).
9. Test in any aforementioned browsers again: find it is now totally broken for everything except IE(X)
10. Write a specific piece of code to DETECT IE(X) and do the new code as a workaround just for IE(X).
11. Repeat from step 3 with X = 8, and again with X = 9.

Of course, it's not so easy, because making IE 7/8/9 all co-exist on one machine is an art all in itself, so testing with it is non trivial to begin with. Oh and debugging tools? Well, for that you need to go through a whole bunch of other pain just to get the worst debugger on earth.

And when you finally get tired of patching perfectly reasonable JS code to work in the world's most broken browser.... You can't do shit about it. Because someone is going to point out the ridiculously huge client base that uses IE (versions 7 through 9), and you HAVE to support it no matter what.

What you see is a browser that works smoothly because people like me have no choice but to make absolutely sure that everything works in IE: No other reason. If the web were filled with standards-compliant code nobody in their right mind would touch that POS browser with a 20foot barge pole, just about nothing would ever work on it.
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« Reply #191 on: July 25, 2012, 17:40:35 PM »

Okay, so it’s annoying from a developer’s PoV (but the problem sounds like it has much more to do with the JS interpreter and/or JRE than IE itself).  Regardless, look on the bright side: more power to you. Wink

(But spare a thought for us of an older generation who had to write, e.g., several hardware-specific graphics engines to render the results of our numerical simulators quickly and at the full potential of different hardware.)

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« Reply #192 on: July 25, 2012, 19:09:08 PM »

IE?  What's that?  Does it run on Linux?
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« Reply #193 on: July 26, 2012, 10:48:02 AM »

but the problem sounds like it has much more to do with the JS interpreter and/or JRE than IE itself

It does not stop there, their CSS support is also a PITA, etc. etc. JS is just an example.

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(But spare a thought for us of an older generation who had to write, e.g., several hardware-specific graphics engines to render the results of our numerical simulators quickly and at the full potential of different hardware.)

Thought spared, it's no fun.

IE?  What's that?  Does it run on Linux?

Internet Explorer aka Internet Exploder aka to lay users: "That internet button". And no it's the default internet browser on windows, does not run on linux at all.
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« Reply #194 on: August 16, 2012, 15:25:56 PM »

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meant to say atheists find life is meaningless. Hence they feel alone in a stereotypical sense. My mother from her veiws would say I am going into the next stage. I wouldn't be alone. Atheists would say-your not going anywhere except where dust will follow.
(Mommy apparently have 5000+ FB friends because she's a good xtian...)

gods help me, all of them... puhleezzzeeee...
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