Why kill our pets????

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GCG (March 30, 2010, 09:24:32 AM):
i hear you steve. im a boskind myself. which is kinda weird for sumone who is kak scared of the dark. and nightblind to boot.
i had a brief, if unusual, stint of farmliving, and it was hairy. the eland would come into garden around midnight, then all kinds of panic would be in the house, cause you expect sumone to come kill you in your sleep, before you assume there are wild animals in your garden, on a game farm.

i find the need for violence so needless. and not just, boom, your dead. shit i shot the oke. its torture, rape. what exactly is the point?
the point is, for years, the struggle leaders, had preached death and damnation to the oppressed. they had fuelled dream with stories of taking back farms, raping the women, and dancing on white corpses. so when the government transformed peacefully, they were left with this anger, and unresolved need to kill something.
allso, if one had to look at the russian revolution, the commoners had gone, under the fuel of communism, and killed off the rich landlords, and claimed the land for themselves. alla zimbabwe too.
these people were told that they were going to have bloody revenge for years of opression, now they are stuck with, what? so they are still angry, and unemployed, without a house, foreigners are taking their jobs.... i think its an evil loop.
i blame government, present and previous. past government didnt take accountability, present government cant control its people, or deliver on promises.
fuckups all round.
Lilli (March 30, 2010, 10:04:19 AM):
i blame government, present and previous.
Doesn't matter who we blame - we are still stuck with the problem, and seemingly there is no simple solution to this one. It is indeed and 'Evil loop', as you mention, but I think lack of education (giving rise to poverty and desperation, etc) is the real root of the problem, and this can be adressed (at least to some extent? :-\)
I simply refuse to believe that crimes are comitted purely because human beings are hateful and take pleasure from harming others (even though I know this is probably extremely naive of me)
damn, this whole thread has made me thoroughly depressed now... :(
GCG (March 30, 2010, 15:17:15 PM):
i have heard, from several sources, that the guys get drugged or pissed before they go on the hunt, as it were. so that when they eventually enter a house, they a ghoofed out of their trees, the adrenaline is going, so im sure the mind doesnt function normally anymore.
i cant imagine, that such a large portion of a population, can so easily, go to such levels of inhumanity.
maybe, and i say this at the risk of being called racist, the native mind/culture/dna call it what you will, is still pretty much tuned in to savagery in order to survive.
to deny the mindset of black/white/indian is the same, is to be very blind.
it doesnt make one skin colour superior to the other, it just means, that we need a different approach.
european minds has evolved of thousands of years 'more' than the african mind. allthough europeans have by no means held the sceptre when it comes to pacifism and human rights, at least, i think, there were an attempt to bottle humans into some kind of order.
now, again, this is going to sound very racist, but africans, in general, had a pretty much stone age living. and when europeans arrived, they had catch up really quickly.
some people adjusted, some just coped.
and, i think, allso, the natural tendancy of peoples, who were hunted by neighbouring tribes, wild animals, and had very little to protect themselves, apart from natural agression towards invaders. its in their nature to have to fight.

i think, too, that the colonists, had a big piece to pay for the shit we are in at the moment. obviously, enslaving the native peoples, treating them like absolute animals. but, the kinds of reward systems they put in place. instead of payment being equal to work offered. they were bribed with trinkets, and given shiny things to appease and manipulate them. payment with booze.
so, you create a culture that sticks its hand out when in need, instead of pulling finger, and getting the job done right.
today, we have a nation that is sitting back and waiting for the government to give them jobs/houses/cars, you name it.
and the entrepreneurs, are taking what they think is theirs to take, since their leaders have told them, and are still telling them, how they are working towards a communist utopia. but as the book goes, some animals are more equal than others.

where does this leave us?
i honestly dont know.
get a gun, get a knife, and be ready. dont be a target. assume you are next. discuss the worst case scenarios with your family.
dont be irrisponseable witht the help you let unto your property. even if you think your help is precious, they have to go home to wild world, where they would rather have you killed, than lose their own lives. that's human nature.
i think, we grow lax with our help, leave them in our home all day without supervision. tell them when we are going away, when we will be back, teach them how the alarm works, cause you dont want to wake up to let them in.
unfortunately too, the white population in our country, is too lazy, pathetic and snobbish to do menial work anymore. so the blacks get employed. thus, when they get to make a buck off selling your laptop he will.
he has a family, he wants a nice car too.
and they have been tought by their leaders, that white people are all rich, and that whatever they own, is the african nations, because it was stolen from them in the first place.
fair enough, but i would say, they had a pretty decent trade-off.
for their land, and freedom (for but a fraction of their culture's existance, but no less horible), they got roads, education, hospitals, healthcare,.... stuff that would have been a fantasy if they had not been colonised.
i think, that for what we took , we brought plenty too.
we should be quits in the end.
my hope?
that some kind of sanity will previal in a young, forward thinking leader.
that one that stirs the shit at every opportunity.
i would volunteer, but i am not pc enough, and i swear like a trouper.
Mefiante (March 30, 2010, 16:36:07 PM):
european minds has evolved of thousands of years 'more' than the african mind.
If the length of the evolution period of a culture’s “mind” were in any way significant to its level of sophistication then the Australian aboriginals would be millennia ahead of just about everyone else in the world. Culture is not a biologically heritable trait like eye colour or physique. That is why humans nurture their young far longer, both in absolute time and relative to their lifespan, than any other species. The closest thing to biological heritability (and thus subject to biological evolution) in respect of the human mind are certain propensities thereof, for example abstract thought, the use of tools, contemplating the future in a consequent way, etc. Whether these heritable propensities are in fact made use of depends on the particular culture’s value system. Thus, it is a mistake to think that a certain group of humans shows certain outward behavioural traits like savagery or docility or refinement because it has evolved biologically towards that state. Rather, such traits are cultural legacies, not evolutionary ones.

I think that perhaps the major factor impeding Africa’s development hinges on these cultural issues. The cultural inertia and momentum of the past is not easily braked and realigned; it will take several generations to get that right. In the past, ownership and responsibility were in many cases communal. The focus was on the welfare of the group and a fairly rigid social hierarchy ensured that individuals did their part. At the same time, if, for example, you felt hungry for fruit, you’d go to the nearest tree and pick as much fruit off it as you wanted. These strictures no longer exist for many erstwhile “primitive” societies, and they find themselves adrift in a cultural value system that they are unfamiliar with and struggle to understand. This new value system is very much centred on the role, responsibilities, rights and requirements of the individual, and it is not easy to reconcile this change in emphasis with the customary system. Sadly, this disruption can also, through bafflement and frustration, promote and facilitate opportunism, as well as other inappropriate behaviours.

i think, too, that the colonists, had a big piece to pay for the shit we are in at the moment. obviously, enslaving the native peoples, treating them like absolute animals.
Ironically, these approaches were largely motivated by and justified on religious principles.

Spike (March 30, 2010, 16:45:57 PM):
Spot on, Mefiante.


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