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« Reply #15 on: May 21, 2012, 10:40:31 AM »

Looks like the prez has speared himself in the foot... :-)

Watching the ANC's frantic attempts to censor the pic out of existence, even on the web, is going to be highly amusing. In the meantime, here it is, just in case they win their case against the gallery:



Download it, and spread it around far and wide.
I find it quite incredible that someone who has made a disrespectable fool of himself for years now, has the audacity to complain that a picture is harming his respectability. He has mostly harmed it himself, and has practically begged satirists on his knees to do this.

I wonder if his court action against Zapiro is still going on? Yet another example of their commitment to freedom of expression, but lucky for us and unlucky for them, in the age of the internet, attempts at censorship are mostly pointless and counter-productive. For this reason I am not too worried about their proposed legislation to "protect state secrets" either. Those secrets will out, whatever the law says.

Now I'm waiting for some YouTube satirist to turn the whole saga into a song. And dare we hope that Nando's will rise to the occasion..?  :-)


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« Reply #16 on: May 21, 2012, 11:25:30 AM »

More muddleheaded commentary.

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« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2012, 11:46:48 AM »

Zapiro rules!  Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2012, 12:27:00 PM »




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« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2012, 13:27:38 PM »

And then the race card hit the table with an underwhelming thud.

I'm also somewhat bemused by the argument that it insults the majority. As opposed to what? The minority? At the same time also using the granddaddy of bad arguments: religion, cause, you know, insulting religions just aint cool. Not that we really know what religion is being attacked here specifically, but lets call it an affront to religion too, that's sure to work.
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« Reply #20 on: May 21, 2012, 14:21:00 PM »

Ah, but then you get a flipside voice from the majority as well:

http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Get-over-it-Tambos-daughter-tells-Zuma-20120521

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Tselane Tambo posted the following message on a social networking site: "So the Pres JZ has had his portrait painted and he doesn't like it.

"Do the poor enjoy poverty? Do the unemployed enjoy hopelessness? Do those who can't get housing enjoy homelessness? He must get over it. No one is having a good time. He should inspire the reverence he craves. This portrait is what he inspired. Shame neh! [sic]"

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« Reply #21 on: May 22, 2012, 06:39:22 AM »

And then the race card hit the table with an underwhelming thud.


They can play the race card all they like. What they can't do is prevent people from seeing the work. And I'm sure Murray is thanking them for all the free publicity.

It's overwhelmingly clear to any reasonable observer that it has zilch to do with race. It isn't aimed at black people; it isn't even aimed at Zuma's polygamous marriages (which are virtually universally accepted as part of his culture). It is aimed at his utter hypocrisy and inability to keep his pants zipped up. The satire is well deserved. If the man wants respect, maybe he should earn some.
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« Reply #22 on: May 22, 2012, 10:56:16 AM »

In case of interest, for those who a) are Cape Town based and b) still consume dead-tree media, I've got an op-ed on this in today's Cape Argus (page 15). It's also the topic of my Daily Maverick column tomorrow.
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« Reply #23 on: May 22, 2012, 11:34:41 AM »

http://www.iol.co.za/news/crime-courts/zuma-painting-defaced-1.1301862

And the saga continues...

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The controversial painting of President Jacob Zuma in the Goodman Gallery in Johannesburg has been defaced, gallery staff confirmed on Tuesday.

A man is being held by the gallery security team.

"The work has been painted over with black and red paint," a spokesman said.

Police are on their way to the scene. 


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« Reply #24 on: May 22, 2012, 12:53:26 PM »

So okay they'll "allow" s16(c) freedom of artistic creativity but but the right not to be deprived of property (s25 general) doesn't matter in the Bill of rights? Methinks they also forgot about that nice little bit: "We, the people of South Africa, Recognize the injustices of our past; honour those who suffered for justice and freedom in our land; respect those who have worked to build and develop our country; and believe that South Africa belongs to all who live in it..." That's from the constitution's preamble - that little gallery was also standing up and raising it's voice against apartheid at that time. Maybe they just take Ex 20:4: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness..." you know the woo..

Zuma isn't some god! For god's sake (pun intended) he's just one public figure, I'm gonna eat some pasta now... May ye all be touched by his noodly apendage and be protected from the crazies of woo
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« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2012, 13:16:39 PM »

The plot thickens! Two idiots have defaced the painting, the one painting a cross on the face and the genitals (remember Scope?). The other smeared black paint down the painting. The ANC intends proceeding with the court case against the Gallery.
Just by coincidence ETV news had a camera up and running when it happened. Huh?
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« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2012, 13:19:02 PM »

In case of interest, for those who a) are Cape Town based and b) still consume dead-tree media, I've got an op-ed on this in today's Cape Argus (page 15). It's also the topic of my Daily Maverick column tomorrow.
I'm interested. The Daily Maverick you'll be bale to link us up tomorrow right? (I'll see if I can lay my hands on an Argus)
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« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2012, 13:28:07 PM »

In case of interest, for those who a) are Cape Town based and b) still consume dead-tree media, I've got an op-ed on this in today's Cape Argus (page 15). It's also the topic of my Daily Maverick column tomorrow.

I'm interested. The Daily Maverick you'll be bale to link us up tomorrow right? (I'll see if I can lay my hands on an Argus)


Never mind, aside from the visual joy of the actual artwork, it is now of national importance and will be broadcast:

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A full bench of the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg will on Thursday hear the ANC's application to have a painting depicting ANC president Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed taken down.

Judge Kathree Setiloane also granted permission for e.tv and eSat to broadcast the court proceedings live.

"This is a matter of great national importance," Setiloane said.



http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Zuma-painting-hearing-to-be-broadcast-20120522

WTF dude?Huh??
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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2012, 13:37:48 PM »

I wonder how the previous (pre-1994) government would've handled the situation. PW and his voorlaaier painted by a black artist.
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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2012, 13:46:37 PM »

I wonder how the previous (pre-1994) government would've handled the situation. PW and his voorlaaier painted by a black artist.

It wouldnt have been displayed at a prominent gallery in the first place.  Secondly, we're living in far more liberal times now, I seriously doubt anything remotely such as this would have made it to a public gallery regardless of the race of the artist. I recall not allowed in an upstairs section of a gallery as a child because of "adult content" - which now loosely translates into naked women holding apples.

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