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 on: Today at 15:14:10 
Started by brianvds - Last post by brianvds
Also, the whole story lends credence to the sad idea that people in the arts are more prone to buying into woo-woo.  Gwyneth Paltrow and Tom Cruise are prominent examples.

Well, I'm in the arts, but not the performing arts. I like to think I'm sane, but of course, that's what they all say... :-)

Don't know about Gwyneth Paltrow, but Mr. Cruise's madness is well documented. It occurred to me that actors are almost by definition people who like to be the centre of attention, and to be applauded. And she's got a bit of a history: when she was still a kid, her father realized he's gay, and her parents were divorced. Her father then became somewhat absent and her mother proceeded to spoil both her kids rotten, so that both of them now have issues.

Now as I mentioned before, she's actually genuinely talented and very good at what she does (from what I hear, Cruise is actually also quite the consummate professional when it comes to his work). I have seen her on stage, and I was pretty impressed. I get the impression that inside that bundle of nerves and paranoia, there's a core of steel, but most of the time, you'd never guess. She is, alas, highly manipulative, and her mother has fallen for it hook, line and sinker.

Anyway, the whole fibromyalgia thing got me curious. Seems like it might possibly be for real, but it is overdiagnosed, and a whole lot of people are making a fortune out of it. Well, not a thing I can do about it. The funny thing is that her mother is on whole a remarkably rational person in most respects, but when it comes to her kids, she tends to be rather blind, and can get pretty worked up about anything perceived as a slight to them. So I guess this thing will have to play itself out...

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 on: Today at 12:35:41 
Started by brianvds - Last post by Faerie
This is how it starts:

http://forum.skeptic.za.org/off-topic/vengeance/

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 on: Today at 12:25:38 
Started by brianvds - Last post by Faerie
I have LOADS of first hand experience with this so called diagnoses. In short, they are mentally off their rocker and imagine all sorts of bullshit, they are paranoid and dont hesitate to take others down that tunnel for company. I lost both my house and my marriage because of a bitch of a woman who "suffered" from this "condition". 

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 on: Today at 10:35:33 
Started by brianvds - Last post by Mefiante
While some experts have claimed differently, fibromyalgia is still, according to my own rheumatologist, largely a diagnosis of exclusion where several autoimmune diseases (of which there are over 130 distinct ones) are excluded sequentially, based on the patient missing one or more of each of those diseases’ critical diagnostic criteria.  Thus, in practice, fibromyalgia is indicated when the patient’s symptoms suggest an autoimmune condition but no single disease fully explains all of those symptoms.  Hence there is still much controversy in the medical fraternity as to whether fibromyalgia is a proper diagnosis.  Still, the treatment for many autoimmune conditions is the same, involving mainly chronic immunosuppressant drugs.

As for chiropractic, there are essentially two schools in that discipline.  The original, or Palmer, school is the loopy one that associates so-called “vertebral subluxations” with virtually all diseases, similar to the way reflexologists associate each part of the body with a specific area on the foot.  The Palmer school of chiropractic therefore believes that spinal manipulations to undo subluxations are all that’s required for treatment.  As I said, that’s the loopy branch.  The other major chiropractic school, while it hasn’t explicitly abandoned the idea of the subluxation as central to disease, is more in line with modern evidence-based medicine in that this school is much like physiotherapy focussed on the spine.  Such chiropractors usually restrict themselves to treating patients with actual neck and back problems or injuries.

That said, it seems that the chiropractor mentioned in the OP is firmly in the Palmer camp.  The outstretched arm strength test is actually taken from another CAM diagnostic modality called “applied kinesiology” which the Power Balance bracelet lot used as a promotional gimmick to dupe people out of significant sums of money in exchange for a cheap piece of plastic.

Also, the whole story lends credence to the sad idea that people in the arts are more prone to buying into woo-woo.  Gwyneth Paltrow and Tom Cruise are prominent examples.

'Luthon64

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 on: Today at 05:54:57 
Started by brianvds - Last post by brianvds
My landlady's daughter has been diagnosed with something called fibromyalgia. The problem is, it is one of those things that have such a long list of vague symptoms that one might wonder whether it is for real at all, and if it is, whether it is not grossly overdiagnosed (rather like ADD).

Looking around on the web, I found these two interesting articles:

http://www.jrheum.org/content/jrheum/30/8/1666.full.pdf

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4440

It seems the diagnosis is controversial in the medical community.

My landlady has now gone and taken her daughter to a chiropractor, and listening to what the guy did, it has all my red lights flickering to the point where, four years from now, they'll be visible from Alpha Centauri. For example, here's one of the things he did: he had her hold out her arms to the side, and then pressed down on one arm, easily pushing it down. He then placed a single sheet of paper under her foot on that side, and was suddenly unable to push down her arm anymore. He then proceeded to "readjust her muscles" by various manipulations, but cautioned that such "readjustments" need to be performed regularly (thus ensuring return visits).

Thus far, the "treatment" is working like a charm, which at least to me is evidence that there is nothing physically wrong with her; at least in this one case, the diagnosis (done by a conventional doctor) seems to be spurious. She has also visited a (western trained) physiotherapist, and her treatments consist of, among other things, massages designed to "eliminate toxin buildups in the muscles." But apparently, the physiotherapists' treatments don't work as well as those of the chiropractor. Which doesn't prevent them from now subjecting the poor girl to a whole pharmacy of various drugs and vitamin supplements.

One thing that does seem to be for real is that she has a bit of a scoliosis; I have seen her X-rays and the bend in the spine is apparent even to me. I don't foresee that the treatments she is receiving at the moment are going to help much.

She is currently studying musical theatre, which is physically demanding and requires a great deal of dancing in various styles, but there is now talk that unfortunately, she will not be able to follow her dream of a career on the stage, because of her disease.

It's a somewhat tragic thing, because she has already performed in professional productions, and I have noticed that whenever things become really real, her symptoms vanish like magic and she performs like a professional - in short, she is one of those people born for the stage. But that is partly the problem: her entire life is a stage to her, and I get the distinct impression that in some way, she is always performing some role. And her chosen career exacerbates it: among dancers, as with athletes, minor injuries and pain happen all the time and can then be neatly folded into her diagnosis.

Alas, both her and her mother seem to be blind to this, and I foresee yet another life of hypochondria. I have known these folks for many years, and they are like family to me. Also, I live in their garden apartment, and thus I have to deal with this thing every day. And nowadays, I constantly have to bite my tongue not to fly into a rage.

Anyway, I'd be interested in hearing a variety of opinions from our esteemed members here...

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 on: Today at 04:27:21 
Started by Rigil Kent - Last post by brianvds
Actually, the ID system is a hopelessly outdated concept.  It was useful when it was developed, but simply can not and does not conform anymore to the original purpose of being a single, indisputable and reliable proof of anyone's identity.

At the local library, for a while there, they suddenly got a security guard with one of those books in which you first have to fill in your name, address etc, and state your business, before you can enter. I made a point of filling in names like Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart and Albert Einstein. No one ever caught on. :-)

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 on: Yesterday at 19:47:11 
Started by Spike - Last post by Mefiante
Here’s a good place to start on Walter Veith, the person.  It happens that well-educated people sometimes lose their marbles early on in life, but that’s much more the exception than the rule.

Here’s an in-depth critical review of one of Veith’s works.

BTW, thanks for the reminder.  I’d just about completely forgotten about this fruitcake.

'Luthon64

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 on: Yesterday at 18:20:58 
Started by Spike - Last post by Spike
I am cleaning up and cleaning out and finally had some time to check out a (Free, Yay!) CD with some lectures by Prof Veith who "is an ardent student of history and prophecy and has lectured to standing-room-only crowds around the world on his findings in archaeology, history, Bible prophecy, secret societies, and political intrigue." 

It seems that archaeology fully supports creationism? Due to the format (video) I can only hope that someone can supply a handy tl;dw or a link to articles, blogs or similar? His website here:  http://walterveith.com/index.html

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 on: Yesterday at 17:49:52 
Started by Rigil Kent - Last post by Spike
I had a particular problem with RICA, because I had difficulty proving my address
Same here.  Luckily, I do officially live somewhere pretty close to "Mars"  Evil

Conclusion: RICA is yet another gigantic, pointless waste of time and resources.
Actually, the ID system is a hopelessly outdated concept.  It was useful when it was developed, but simply can not and does not conform anymore to the original purpose of being a single, indisputable and reliable proof of anyone's identity.

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 on: Yesterday at 06:38:20 
Started by Rigil Kent - Last post by brianvds
RICA.  This is not a little thing, this is hugely upsetting.

Seriously, why should I hand over my ID and entire LIFE to some stranger behind a retail counter?  It is utterly impossible to believe there aren't 'mishaps' with this information. I've worked in retail - I know exactly how that sausage factory works. The mind boggles that anyone could believe that this system will curb crime.

I had a particular problem with RICA, because I had difficulty proving my address. All my utility bills were paid online, so I couldn't produce something like an electricity bill. And I rented my place from a friend, so there wasn't actually any written rental contract either. So how do I prove my address? I bought one of those standard rental contracts at CNA, and filled it in and signed it myself. I could have written an address on Mars for all the difference it made; they gave it a casual glance and and RICA-ed my phone.

Conclusion: RICA is yet another gigantic, pointless waste of time and resources.

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