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 on: Today at 16:22:35 
Started by Teleological - Last post by Teleological
If one asserts that consciousness cannot be split from physical structure and functioning (which I do), then yes.
Define "physical structure" and what you understand it to be.
Define consciousness and what you understand it to be.
Give an explanation for everyday goal-directed behaviour by making use of your own terms and how you understand "physical structure".

I am also not sure you know what dualism (just like philosophical materialism and naturalism) is. Perhaps you can describe it in your own words just so that we can both understand each other and be on the same page.

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 on: Today at 16:16:32 
Started by Teleological - Last post by Gogtjop
If one asserts that consciousness cannot be split from physical structure and functioning (which I do), then yes.

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 on: Today at 15:54:08 
Started by Teleological - Last post by Teleological
Humour me.

Sure. I'm laffing my arse off.
Just be clear on this. You are of the opinion the determinism is incompatible with dualism.

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 on: Today at 15:40:33 
Started by Faerie - Last post by Faerie
sorry....  Embarrassed

It was rather fun to see the place so lively! I usually check in twice a day - early and late, today I kept it open in the background!


 5 
 on: Today at 15:39:44 
Started by BluEGrAY - Last post by Gogtjop
That, right there, is some SERIOUSLY funny shit.

I normally have no sympathy for the fucksticks who fall for this crap, and a part of me even admires the chutzpah of the dudes who come up with this stuff in order to make money. The red devil on my left shoulder tunes me they deserve it, and that the idiots who buy it deserve to be exploited.

The problem is that there are desperate people who can't afford full blown modern medical care, and who gobble this stuff up out of a misguided sense of hope. You can't really blame them, but you can blame the dudes who sell the snake oil.

I wonder if I bliksem Kromhout with an infinitely sharp katana, whether it will cure his major malfunction.

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 on: Today at 15:31:51 
Started by green1706 - Last post by mdg
Welcome to the forum Gogtjop, I can already see things are going to get interesting around here again...... Grin

Oooo, and speaking of the one whose name we will not mention, he/she/whatever is an absolute expert on anything and everything ending in "ism", hehehehehehehe....


 7 
 on: Today at 15:28:07 
Started by Faerie - Last post by cyghost
We have gone and jinxed it   Sad  Undecided

 8 
 on: Today at 14:59:04 
Started by Teleological - Last post by Gogtjop
Largely? So... you get fully deterministic processes, largely deterministic processes, minimally deterministic processes and indeterministic processes? Humour me with this assertion of "largely deterministically".

I'm of the opinion that everything is deterministic, and remain unconvinced of QI, although I'm open to evidence of it (as opposed to mathematical models that subsume it). Our inability to predict particle behaviour at the quantum level doesn't imply that it's fundamentally unpredictable.

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 on: Today at 14:54:14 
Started by Teleological - Last post by Gogtjop
Humour me.

Sure. I'm laffing my arse off.


Sell philosophical materialism and naturalism. Let's see if you know what it is and entails.

Nah. Can't be arsed. I guess you win, right? Here, have a cookie.

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 on: Today at 14:48:58 
Started by Teleological - Last post by Teleological
5) That must be some kind of record for seeing through Teleological’s agenda-suffused codswallop.

Really? Where is Mefi…
I’m right here, dearie, agog at your posturings.  Quantum indeterminism isn’t like most other physical laws in that it assigns probabilities to outcomes, rather than enumerating precisely quantifiable/determinable causal relations.  Indeterminacy seems to be a fundamental property of nature.  I thought that was clear enough.

ETA:  You write “What about the indeterministic nature of physics that drives chemistry?”  At the level of chemical interactions, the participating agglomerates of matter (atoms and molecules) behave largely deterministically as far as physics is concerned.

'Luthon64

Largely? So... you get fully deterministic processes, largely deterministic processes, minimally deterministic processes and indeterministic processes? Humour me with this assertion of "largely deterministically".

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