In Ten Years, Will You Own a PC, or Vice-versa?

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bluegray (October 20, 2006, 13:48:02 PM):
(Methinks this should be moved to conspiracies? ???)
Me starting to think so too ;)
Mefiante (October 20, 2006, 15:36:53 PM):
Me sorry, but me not sure what to make of this now. ::)

The discussion so far has mostly centred on the TC technology (hence this sub-forum) and what it can facilitate for those who command it, one of whom is Micro$oft, a company that has shown itself to be not entirely trustworthy a few times in the past. These last are readily verifiable facts, as are those I mentioned in respect of the TC technology itself. Thus far, there have been offered no equally factual counterarguments that undermine what I have written in this regard.

Sure, it is speculation on my part that it is highly unlikely a viable alternative to TC will become available soon enough, if ever, for the ordinary PC user to avoid TC, but I also gave what I think are compelling technical reasons for my reservations, which reasons at present also remain essentially unchallenged. Arguing that an unknown something will present itself can't successfully diminish my contention, unless that proposed something is at the very least realistically conceivable, or, better yet, at least as likely a scenario as the one I am painting. Nor, of course, does it mean that I am right - only that I have solid reasons for thinking as I do.

Finally, please point out where malicious objectives, which would turn this into a de facto conspiracy, are attributed to the TC proponents. Saying that so-and-so allows them to do such-and-such is not the same thing as saying that they will do such-and-such, although history again suggests that temptation is quite hard to resist. Consider also that very few companies do things out of altruism or a sense of civic duty, and the question why Micro$oft and partners are pursuing TC so fervently becomes a bit more urgent.

The only "conspiracy" I'm proposing here is that these companies are collaborating towards greater control of the hardware and software markets, which effort makes perfect business sense, but such control will ultimately be got at the expense of some of our individual liberties. I'm hardly suggesting anything like a grandiose masterplan whereby M$ consciously wants to turn you into a computer literate but functional zombie.

If that makes me an alarmist or a conspiracy theorist, then I plead guilty.

'Luthon64
qrios (October 20, 2006, 15:48:08 PM):
This might just be a borderline case as far as I'm concerned. I think that I f you (Luthon) would want to categorize the whole Big Brother phenomenon, or the "666 Antichrist ruling the world" hypotheses as conspiracy, then surely an attempt of Micro$oft trying to control or own us by means of the PC should be categorised accordingly?
Mefiante (October 20, 2006, 16:04:35 PM):
... surely an attempt of Micro$oft trying to control or own us by means of the PC should be categorised accordingly?
... please point out where malicious objectives, which would turn this into a de facto conspiracy, are attributed to the TC proponents.
I'm hardly suggesting anything like a grandiose masterplan whereby M$ consciously wants to turn you into a computer literate but functional zombie.
How does a desire to exercise control over the digital content of your PC suddenly become "trying to control or own us by means of the PC?"

That's like saying Koo is "trying to control or own [you] by means of" their baked beans recipe.

'Luthon64
bluegray (October 20, 2006, 16:07:04 PM):
Then I'm afraid you still don't understand the full implications and abilities inherent in the technology. The choices are essentially to stay with what we have at present, or to follow the lead of Micro$oft et al. into the future. The companies that are promoting TC dictate that future because they control the dominant sources of hardware and software together, as well as developing new tchnologies in these areas. Free software, open source, Linux, etc. will quickly become a non-issue to those companies because such products cannot be used on the TC hardware without OEM keys.
No I understand the implications. But that will only happen if TC is taken to the extremes that you are talking about. Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I don't think people are going to let that happen.

...and back in the 80s, it was often said (by the local Warner agents, and even Phillips who in conjunction with Sony developed the CD) that vinyl would never die.
And vinyl is still not dead. A lot of albums are still released on vinyl for DJ's and collectors. It is still with us because there is a market for it.

Well, that's how it should work. I would call Zimbabwe's government "restrictive" but I don't see any mass exodus from there.
How many illegal Zimbabweans are there in surrounding countries?

I disagree in this particular instance because it would be similar to the expectation that Malawi can design and build a craft capable of competing with the space shuttle. The current hardware and software suppliers have such an enormous technological edge over any possible challenger as to virtually eliminate such a possibility occurring in the near future.
Why do they have to keep up with the latest technology? All they need is something that is usable.

That only a very small number of people can hack or bypass security is not the issue. The issue is that TC makes it totally impractical, so that no one can.
Yes I agree, my point was that even though TC will be infinitely more difficult to crack, even today it is not that easy. A normal user will either put up with the restrictions or switch to something without the restrictions. Only a few people will try to crack it.

And my point was, and still remains, that there won't be any choice.
You may well be right in thinking that I'm overstating my fears. Obviously, I don't think I am.
It will come down to choice - whether we have it or not. Whatever happened to 'the customer is always right' ???
We will just have to wait and see.
I'm sure that without any opposition it could very well happen.

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