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Invitation to a pox party in my news feed

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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2014, 15:00:58 PM »

I had a pox party for my son's friends twenty odd years ago, its by no means a new phenomenon.  AND both my sons were vaccinated, they still got the bug, along with many of their friends.

As far as I know you still cannot enrol your child in primary school without the innoculation chart from your clinic, which is probably a good thing....
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2014, 18:49:06 PM »

Lucky thing we at least have Darwin on our side... :-)

That rather nonchalant saying missed the greater reason why we upset with people not vaccinating there children.

In the end it's innocent kids paying the price for there parents stupidity
or actually other kids in there community paying the price for ignorance.

I know: the inoculation doesn't take with everyone, and such kids rely on herd immunity, which goes to hell when too many antivaxxers fail to immunize. The grim Darwin will reap us all.
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2014, 00:08:32 AM »

... and herd immunity especially won't help if people are infecting their children on purpouse.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2014, 12:07:33 PM »

"I had a pox party for my son's friends twenty odd years ago, its by no means a new phenomenon.  AND both my sons were vaccinated, they still got the bug, along with many of their friends."

No, pox parties are not a new thing, and long ago, there might have been some benefit to having chicken pox while still young as I've heard anecdotes that children seem not to get it as badly as adults do (though I know a few children who have had it pretty badly), but since there is no a vaccine, why put your child through that? 

An what is next?  Measles parties (they do happen in some other countries), polio parties? pertussis parties?  TB parties? 

I've been reading up again on the backfiring of pro vaccine messages.  It seems that what is backfiring is when attempts are made to refute anti vaccine messages, but it does still work to have accurate information available.   The other thing that seemed to backfire is having overly "sciencey" information - it goes over people's heads, plain language seems to work best.  Since the anti vaxxers have facebook pages and groups with lots of made up nonsense, I think something that is easily available to South African parents, and points to reliable web sites to read, not just the ones that the vaccine "awareness" pages are touting - as those are what people find easily so those are the things they read and believe.

I talk openly about vaccinating my children, I always post a status update when we're off for vaccines.  I've had a few friends and even relatives phone me and ask me questions because they're unsure.  I know this is anecdotal, but sorry, its the best I have.  What I get told is that they know the anti vaxx information is biased but they're afraid.  They know that so and so's baby had febrile convulsions after vaccines (I do point out that if baby got a temperature, which is a normal side effect and a low grade fever isn't dangerous, that if prone to convulsions and the temperature rises too fast that any temperature that baby got that did this would possibly result in febrile convulsions, so it wasn't from the vaccine strictly speaking (although that incident was).  They tell me that they are afraid to ask questions on any of the more science based pages, as people assume they're an anti vaxxine troll and they get mocked for answering a question that is similar to what anti vaxxers spout - but the question is asked in a genuine desire to know the answer.  They daren't ask on an anti vaxx page, because they don't wasnt to be associated with it.  I know a few friends who delayed vaccines - measles, pertussis, BCG because of their fears, though most have now caught up and their children didn't come to harm. 

I think we do need a place easily accessible to SA parents with factual information written in plain language (fact checked by those with more knowledge than me of course) and where people can ask quesitons with the assumption always being that it is a genuine question and not a troll (though there will of course be plenty of those), but if the responses are always reasonable and only the troll is getting hyped up, people can draw their own conclusions (and common sense seems to previal there - people don't like or trust a shouty person). 

Thoughts?

ps.  I am just indenting and italicising my quotes, I need to sit and play aroudn with the formatting some more, so please bear with me as I learn. 

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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2014, 12:14:20 PM »

Australia seems to have had some success in getting their equivalent of VASA to change their name to something that doesn't imply they're providing accurate information on vaccines. 

Wouldn't it be nice if our crack pots had to change their name to "antivaxxers of SA" or something that is genuinely descriptive of what they do? 

How would I go about doing something meaningful to stop the prmotion of this nonsense under the guise of not being anti vaccine but pro safe vaccines and acces to unbiased (read only nonsense allowed) information? 
Would the department of health intervene or are their bigger issues for them with primary health care than middle class parents who won't vaccinate their children (might not be a huge issue now, but if their message keeps spreading, it is the poor who pay the price int eh end as if and when their children get these diseases, just getting to treatment facilities is difficult). 
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2014, 14:04:19 PM »

I thinks it's a great idea.

What is needed is somebody with vaccination experience,
that can communicate to people in terms they understand.

Then we could setup a Facebook page and blog maybe.
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2014, 22:57:01 PM »

Ok great. Now to find those volunteers Smiley ill start putting together some thoughts and post further when I have something more concrete.
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