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The Optimality of the Genetic Code

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« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2009, 11:23:22 AM »

Okay, it is pretty optimal. Any other code would also have been optimal or even more optimal that the one we do have. Now what?
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« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2009, 11:28:55 AM »

Okay, it is pretty optimal. Any other code would also have been optimal or even more optimal that the one we do have. Now what?
You are only taking one parameter into consideration... Error minimization.
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« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2009, 12:08:58 PM »

So for which paramter(s) is this code and only this code optimal?
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« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2009, 12:26:35 PM »

So for which paramter(s) is this code and only this code optimal?

There are many parameters and you are welcome to scour the literature (including the OP) for an answer. Ideally you want to know the optimality of the code by considering all the known parameters (not just 1). At present this is unknown mainly because the actual primordial evolution is uncertain and there is no real understanding of the code origin (yet).

But, the code is pretty optimal for a variety of parameters and it is pretty stable (read here).
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« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2009, 12:35:02 PM »

There are many parameters and you are welcome to scour the literature (including the OP) for an answer.

I'm not interested in doing that. And that you think forums are geared towards that sort of thing is problematic.
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Ideally you want to know the optimality of the code by considering all the known parameters (not just 1). At present this is unknown mainly because the actual primordial evolution is uncertain and there is no real understanding of the code origin (yet).

Ideally I want to understand what it means to talk about an optimal code and the reason for this thread.

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But, the code is pretty optimal for a variety of parameters and it is pretty stable (read here).

Yeah and other codes would have been as well? At least for one of the many parameters required. What does that mean?
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« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2009, 13:22:20 PM »

There are many parameters and you are welcome to scour the literature (including the OP) for an answer.
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« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2009, 15:05:51 PM »

There are many parameters and you are welcome to scour the literature (including the OP) for an answer.

I'm not interested in doing that.

Why aren't you interested in doing that?

And that you think forums are geared towards that sort of thing is problematic.
Geared towards what sort of thing?

Ideally you want to know the optimality of the code by considering all the known parameters (not just 1). At present this is unknown mainly because the actual primordial evolution is uncertain and there is no real understanding of the code origin (yet).

Ideally I want to understand what it means to talk about an optimal code and the reason for this thread.

Yes, what does it mean to talk about an optimal code? The reason for the thread, as stated in the OP, is to discuss the optimality of the genetic code  Wink.  

But, the code is pretty optimal for a variety of parameters and it is pretty stable (read here).

Yeah and other codes would have been as well? At least for one of the many parameters required. What does that mean?

That it is very optimal for error minimization and that other codes could have emerged that are better with regards to error minimization, but did not.
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« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2009, 15:47:49 PM »

Why aren't you interested in doing that?
Long and boring.
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Long, boring blog posts. Cut and paste information. We more appreciate a link and a summary in order to discuss things.
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Yes, what does it mean to talk about an optimal code? The reason for the thread, as stated in the OP, is to discuss the optimality of the genetic code  Wink.
So. What does it mean?  
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That it is very optimal for error minimization and that other codes could have emerged that are better with regards to error minimization, but did not.
So it is code very optimal for error minimization but it could have been better. What about it?
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« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2009, 16:07:46 PM »

Yes, what does it mean to talk about an optimal code? The reason for the thread, as stated in the OP, is to discuss the optimality of the genetic code  Wink.
So. What does it mean?
It means the thread is here to discuss the optimality of the genetic code. There are other parameters to discuss as well  Wink.
That it is very optimal for error minimization and that other codes could have emerged that are better with regards to error minimization, but did not.
So it is code very optimal for error minimization but it could have been better. What about it?
Put it in the back of your mind, use it, don't use it.
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« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2009, 17:01:12 PM »

It means the thread is here to discuss the optimality of the genetic code. There are other parameters to discuss as well  Wink.
As I recall you didn't feel like listing them so I may measure the optimality and compare codes. *shrugs*
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« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2009, 17:17:15 PM »

It means the thread is here to discuss the optimality of the genetic code. There are other parameters to discuss as well  Wink.

As I recall you didn't feel like listing them so I may measure the optimality and compare codes. *shrugs*

"Recall" again  Wink. Just some of them.
Put it in the back of your mind, use it, don't use it.

For what?

Errr, use it don't use it  Huh?
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« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2009, 18:30:26 PM »

"Recall" again  Wink. Just some of them.

Well we have looked at 1 and we found that from *any* starting point we would have gotten the same or better "optimal" code. (don't really get the degrees of optimality either but hey, it's all fun)

Are you now guaranteeing that if I look into 2 ~ 9, I won't find the same thing? That is what you are saying?
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Errr, use it don't use it  Huh?

For what? How?
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« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2009, 18:36:00 PM »

"Recall" again  Wink. Just some of them.

Well we have looked at 1 and we found that from *any* starting point we would have gotten the same or better "optimal" code. (don't really get the degrees of optimality either but hey, it's all fun)

With regards to error minimization  and taking into account selection Wink.

Are you now guaranteeing that if I look into 2 ~ 9, I won't find the same thing? That is what you are saying?

No and no. You would have noticed that if you read the relevant articles in the OP Wink.

Errr, use it don't use it  Huh?

For what? How?

You don't have to use it. Just saying...
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« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2009, 19:00:40 PM »



    Your links are all cocked up.
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    « Reply #29 on: September 21, 2009, 20:06:28 PM »

    With regards to error minimization  and taking into account selection Wink.
    That is just creepy, you continuously winking at me.
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    No and no.
    Huh? So what is the purpose of this again?
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    You would have noticed that if you read the relevant articles in the OP Wink.
    Like rewenzori, I couldn't get into any of your links.
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    You don't have to use it. Just saying...
    I'm trying to understand what you are saying but the message is not coming though as clear as I would have liked it to. That may just be me.
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